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Mon, Jan. 26th, 2009, 09:00 pm
It's not about winning or losing...

"Coach Fired over 100-0 Win"

Did I read that right, I wonder? Surely coach was fired over 100-0 lose. So I hovered over the link and no. He was fired for winning 100-0 and refusing to apologize.

Not a sports fan in general, but that did incite a little outrage. The purpose of sports is winning, and a team shouldn't be expected to apologize for winning, even winning big, even at the high school level.

Except that was a 100-0 win against a school for students with learning disabilities.

So then my outrage took a curlique detour and I couldn't decide if I was outraged at the winning team for 'trouncing' their opponent, or at whoever the hell came up with the idea of pitting a team of 'learning disabled' students against students with no disabilities. That sort of harkens back to an era that I prefer to think of as bygone when people with disabilities were put on display for all the world to ogle at.

Ahh... but I'm actually a certified teacher, and I know what mainstreaming is. I have my loves and my hates with the concept, but one thing I do hate is a 'halfway' theory. If having these two teams square off is some sort of attempt at the most inclusive education possible, then I start waffling again. If team A and team B play against each other, and team A is the highest-ranking in the district and team B hasn't won a game in 5 years, is it somehow more 'sportsman-like' for team A to 'go easy' on team B?

A big part of me says that if team B wants to play in the district, big losses are an inevitable part of the game. That part of me might be around 35% of my opinion. Maybe 33% of my opinion goes back to the public humiliation thing. And the remaining 32% takes a (maybe somewhat condescending) stance that team A should have quit trying to score after half-time. Although that argument is quickly followed by a pragmatic voice that asks what's the difference between a 59-0 victory and a 100-0 victory?

Apparently the winning team quit trying to score after they hit 100. Which, I suppose, is as good an arbitrary place to stop as any.

Then I watched the video and remembered something else from my stint at student teaching. 'Learning disability' doesn't necessarily mean Downs Syndrome or autism. The girls being interviewed were articulate and clear. They might be dyslexic, or perhaps ADD. Their disabilities might not have anything in the world to do with their ability to play basketball.

Indeed, watching the footage of their practice, they looked like a PE class shooting hoops. They sound like teenage girls. And suddenly I have a fourth contender, peeling at least five percentage points from each of the three previous, and that is that the media is having a bit of a field day at the winning team's expense. The articles and interviews are as lopsided as the score was.

So I did a little five-minute web research. These are 2A schools, which means they're small. The winning team is from a private, faith-based school. The losing team is from a private school for students with learning disabilities. The winning team boasts the top scorers and top defensive players in the district.

And, all BS about sports not being just about winning aside-- the real reason good athletes play at the high school level is so they can get a scholarship to the college level. It isn't about life lessons and leadership. It's about winning, getting discovered and making friends.

So,

Poll #1338172
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What's your take on a high school girls basketball team defeating another team 100-0. Oh, by the way, the losing team is from a school for the learning disabled.

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It's disgusting. The winning team should have stopped actively trying to score at some point before they did. 'Mainstreaming' doesn't mean giving disabled students over to slaughter.
0 (0.0%)

It's revolting. The district should not pit such obviously mismatched teams against each other. That the game was even played ranks near the freak show at the county fair.
0 (0.0%)

It's absurd. It's a high school basketball game between two willing competitors. The better team won. Everyone got equal treatment.
1 (14.3%)

It's shameful. Someone lost his job, a team lost their dignity and a whole bunch of teenage girls got filleted over what amounts to a public relations issue. It's a non-issue that the media is blowing out of proportion.
4 (57.1%)

It's a very interesting and complicated question. I'll elaborate in a response.
2 (28.6%)

Tue, Jan. 27th, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
[info]queenp71

Now must comment anyway....

IMHO, as an educator and a parent, I thought that it was poor sportsmanship on behalf of the winning team to push the score as high as they did. They had an obvious lead and kept pushing harder until they hit the 100 mark...Yes, they had a good team. Yes, they had the better team. No, it didn't have to be a total annihilation of a team that has only 8 members. The winning coach should have offered at half time to end the game with the permission of the opposing coach and the referees. It could have been done.

Also, IMHO, kudos to the 8 girls for not giving up. Despite the fact that they were so far behind, they kept on trying. I've seen my students give up for less.

Wed, Jan. 28th, 2009 01:59 am (UTC)
[info]dazzleberry

All right. Devil's advocate--

What's the difference between 59-0 and 100-0? They were 59-0 at halftime. They clearly did choose an arbitrary place to stop scoring. Is 59-0 any less of an annihilation?

Also, in the article one of the girls on the losing team did ask if they had to go back out there. If the losing coach had approached the winning coach and asked to end the game (and we have no idea whether the two coaches and/or refs talked, or what the coaches talked to their teams about at halftime) the same end would have been accomplished.

And, would it have been poor sportsmanship if the losing team didn't have such a dismal record behind them? If it had been the top team in the district vs the bottom team in the district and 'learning disabled' didn't factor into the equation, would the score have even been an issue?

As previously stated, I'm not sure what I think of the whole thing.

Wed, Jan. 28th, 2009 03:33 am (UTC)
[info]queenp71

In some competitive sports organization, a maximum score gap is set up so that annihilations like this don't occur. However, under TAPPS guidlelines it doesn't exist. No, 59-0 isn't any less of an annihilation than 100-0, however it would have been more compassionate.

I think that the fact that the losing school WAS an LD school and the winning school was a Christian school has turned it into a media circus. Did the teams' records play into the media circus? hell yeah. Does the media like to blow things out of proportion? hell yeah. Will that change b/c of this coach being fired? Hell, no. DOes it really matter in the long run? Only to the coach who was fired...and the precedent this sets.


a lot of complicated questions....ones my brain can't fully get around right now. If I can come up with additional/better answers, I'll get back to you.


Tue, Jan. 27th, 2009 04:52 am (UTC)
[info]kattahj

I got really pissed off at the way the articles were phrasing this as if the poor disabled students got reamed by the mean normies. It was really patronizing and makes me kind of biased. That said, I think the league needs some sort of policy for what should happen if the teams are clearly mismatched, they should stick to that policy, and it shouldn't be up to the individual coach or player.

Wed, Jan. 28th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)
[info]dazzleberry

I know exactly what you mean about the bias of the articles. The whole thing seemed very sensationalist to me. A big part of me says that the whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.

Tue, Jan. 27th, 2009 03:22 pm (UTC)
[info]islandsmoke

Actually, I think I lean most toward the "shameful" answer. Mostly because of the media spin. First of all, I don't like the "disabled" label. Second, how was the game presented to the teams? Did the coach of the winning team ask his team at halftime how they wanted to finish the game? Did the coach of the "disabled" team lead his/her team to think they might get a break in life because of their "disability?"

I went to a tiny high school. The soccer team was the basketball team was the baseball team. Then a teacher came along who was a bit different. Besides making advanced math a sought-after class, he started a fencing team. Foil fencing, not saber fencing; the quick, controlled "nancy" one, not the Errol Flynn stuff. It takes four people to make a team. We had 4 girls, and 6 guys. Because of scheduling, none of the members of the fencing team were members of any other sport team. We were "different." We were also one of maybe 8 teams in the state. The closest team of any kind was the one at the Coast Guard Academy that fenced at the college level, and was waaaay out of our league. Our boys team had 1 freshman, 2 sophomores, and 1 junior. The coach asked the boys, if the CG were willing, would they want to spar with them. He told them they'd get the snot beat out of them. They said sure, and they got the snot beat out of them, and they learned. When the season started, they went up against all the teams in the state; no class divisions, as there weren't enough teams. The 23 year reigning champs were from a high school with 80 times the number of students than our little school. Our boys won. And continued to win for years, and years, and years....

No, I don't think the coach should have been fired. Coaches are hired to coach their teams to victory.

Did the other team think they would be cut a break? If so, then maybe the other coach should be fired.

Either way, I think the media should butt the heck out.

Wed, Jan. 28th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
[info]dazzleberry

See, from reading between the lines of the story and poking around on a couple of websites, I really think the two teams are just top and bottom teams in their district. from a journalistic standpoint, I think there was a nice human-interest story in the learning disabled students sticking it out to the end even though they were getting slaughtered. I think all the rest of the drama was created by media attention, and I'm actually kind of proud of the coach from the winning team for defending his team's actions even though it cost him his job.

I went to a really small K-12 for 4th-8th grades, and much like your school-- the basketball team was the track team was the baseball team. It was our tennis team, and god forbid the cheerleading squad that got reamed in competition.

My high school football team was at the bottom of the district three of the four years that I was there and maybe sixth out of eight my senior year. I don't think they won four district games the entire time I attended, and I can tell you that no one ever said a word about whooping up on poor old AHS. Fortunes have turned and dear old grand old Abilene High has been district champ and headed for state each of the last 5 years now, and no one says anything when they beat up on some podunky little school in a non-district match.

High school sports are brutal in Texas, and the fact that these are private school girls basketball teams doesn't change that.

Tue, Jan. 27th, 2009 06:08 pm (UTC)
[info]mariannelee

Hey, haven't seen you in a while.

One thing the article didn't make clear: did the learning disabilities in any way affect the physical? Were these kids with Down's Syndrome, or just kids with things like dyslexia? There is a HUGE difference there.

Wed, Jan. 28th, 2009 02:06 am (UTC)
[info]dazzleberry

Hey back.

Yeah, I missed the same thing in the article. I watched some video interviews with the girls and they didn't appear to be severely disabled. Of course, appearances can be deceptive, but they were articulate in their speech, they didn't seem to lack coordination on the court in the footage of their practice. They just looked like a poor team IMHO. I mean, I'm no talent scout, but...

I just don't think they're athletes. Oh my god, stop the presses! Some students aren't you know.

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